Public sentiment is divided and predominantly skeptical regarding the US's designation of The Resistance Front (TRF) as a terrorist organization. Many view the move as politically motivated, question its practicality, and express concerns over foreign influence in sovereign matters. While some support the designation in light of terrorism, others highlight the perceived hypocrisy and colonial mindset of seeking Western validation.

United States

India

The Resistance Front

If you could go back in time and shoot Pol Pot with a cancer gun, why not shoot him with a bullet gun?

SJReaver

You do not, under any circumstances, have to hand it to Donald Trump

Striking-Activity472

I had to stop reading after I got to the part where somebody legitimately tried arguing that Biden's legislative agenda has a higher death toll than Pol Pot. Jesus Christ.

68plus1equals

The problem with being someone like Denim or Asmongold is that you believe that you're obligated and authorized to issue an opinion whenever anything happens, and the Internet gives more attention to "hot takes," so of course we're going to get shit like this even though it doesn't matter in the slightest what Spir1tPlays the React Streamer has to say on the Middle East.

Prior_Chemist_5026

No_Mammoth_4945

BillFireCrotchWalton

The older I get, the more I find myself despising the Internet and everyone on it

FemboyMechanic1

Question. why do we give these terminally online fuckers attention? 

thats how they get power. 

TheSpanishDerp

"oh so you wouldn't give adolf hitler cancer? do you just hate jews or something?"

buddy even if you think cancer is an awful thing to wish on someone you can still pop a cap in hitler's head.

Khajit_has_memes

going "womp womp he still sucks" is whatever, if you wanna make that your opinion i dont really give a shit and wont stop you. but harassing people who are like "aw man that sucks, cancer sucks for anyone" is so stupid 😭😭 like youre literally just making yourself out to be an asshole for no reason. you can just agree to disagree and move on!


....lmao what the hell am i talking about, this is *reddit*, people can't just do that on this site apparently

mewmeulin

Honestly, some people have had worse takes on Biden’s cancer than the cancer itself.

Harmania

Farming DGGers for drama slop is a cheat code

bl123123bl

Really odd how none of them think you can hold the opinion of “I’m sorry you got cancer” and “you’re a horrible person” at the same time. 

They either think “yay this person I hate has cancer” or that saying “I’m sorry this person has cancer” means absolving them of whatever they’ve done.

Ripper1337

I fucking hate tankies. I’m surprised twitch has let them become the face of the platform.

Sea_Lingonberry_4720

Americans not understanding that Israel is not the 51st state of the USA..

Abandondero

From the same people who enabled Trump winning because they thought not voting was supporting Palestine

Val_Fortecazzo

I really don't think you get to play the "they dedicated their life to public service" card when a politician runs for president of the United States. Like that's well past magnanimous and humble service - you're trying to become the most powerful person in the world.

Cranyx

This is just left flavored maga

Hate those you disagree wish, desth upon them, rant and rave anytime they do anything, make them into monsters that should be slain 

Its the same grift in a different colored suit 

And it absolutely undermines the validity of leftist movements, not going to get a single moderate to lend you an ear when you're celebrating someone getting cancer

SmallBatBigSpooky

First off, It's clear that Trump didn't write that tweet, not because it was nice, and not because it wasn't inflammatory, but because it actually included fucking Melania, lmao. 

Onto the main point: This is exactly why I actually hold more resentment towards these people than I do MAGA pundits. The far-left, as the name implies, uses a badge to 'prove' to those on the left side of alignment that they champion the same values, and that there's a ton of overlap because they're on the 'same side'. However, they **don't** actually believe that, and instead use these 'ins' to poison the well and create apathy and hateful rhetoric like this person is doing. I really do wish there were more accessible labeling we could do onto these people. They sully what it is to be a Progressive.

Their goal is the same as the 'alt right' because within the foundations of democracy they have the *same* goal. To rot away and destroy the institutions as accelerationists.. [They should be seen as a point on a triangle that **doesn't** occupy traditional left values](https://imgur.com/Vjgnp0l). 

At least MAGA operatives say with their chest the goals they have and very clearly draw the line as antagonistic, whereas these fucks will put on a mask as a leftist and ruin the chances that we have to cooperate and work within the confines of the system we have in place. As a Progressive, sincerely fuck off.

----

**EDIT:** This comment was linked to a certain far-left discord for people to, and I quote, "explain how fucking dumb this liberal is". If you guys spent half as much time weaponizing and mobilizing against Progressives and Liberals on subreddits and instead focused that energy on making impactful change for the better, &gt;!maybe people wouldn't *immediately* deem your view as valueless.!&lt;

Vexamas

&gt;Joe Biden was pretty clearly a kind elderly man who has had an insanely difficult personal life and has dedicated the rest of his energy to public service. You don't like his policies fine but you are just living in delusion if you think he is horrible on a personal level.

His staff were pretty clear that he was the kind of boss that screamed at people. You can like his policies, that's fine, but you're living in a bit of a delusion if you think any politicians isn't an asshole on a personal level. 

I dunno, I just kind of hated that he threw a pity party when the Dems ousted him. Fucker spent a lot of time that could have been spent repping Kamala.

KalaronV

Petition to ban all posts about the Hasan Destiny civil war, as well as the offshoot proxy wars

quiplaam

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT fathom how Americans will allow political nonsense on 24hr "news" channels only to spend their free time listening to more losers talk about politics. How the fuck is this enjoyable? How the fuck does someone decide this is their personality?

___Moony___

I hate this timeline. Stop the world, I want off.

BigWhiteDog

To me, it's not about Biden and cancer at all. It's whether people will use cancer as a reason to celebrate someone they dislike suffering. I'll never wish horrible things on other people, because I know I wouldn't like it if the situation was reversed. Why become something you would otherwise dislike? 

Anyway, as others pointed out, these hot takes are what get people like Denims and Hasan their revenue.

computer_d

Tankies being entirely unhinged

Must be a day that ends in a y.

Not-Reformed

Seems this post has brought out all the terminally online folks who worship the people that often appear on livestream fail.

Already seeing the Destiny and Hasan fans arguing against each other again saying their own versions of brain dead takes.

Randomaccount848

We need a word for people who are morally right, but insufferable fucking pricks about it.

Wes_Anderson_Cooper

Illustrious-Okra-524

My observation from that thread is that I find a lot of the comments complaining about Denims' take on Biden's cancer to be extremely disingenuous.

Just last week or before there was a thread here highlighting how a substantial amount of commentors in LSF were cheering on Hasan being detained and questioned for his political views. That sub is also known for being astroturfed by H3 and Destiny fans, both content creators that wished death on various groups of people such as Hurricane Helene victims or more specifically Trump as well as their community playing into it, as well as the sub. This same cohort of people wished death upon minorities that voted for Trump and threatened to sicc ICE on them as well. Also, just the overall sentiment of this website being pro-Mario brother/death of a certain healthcare CEO

So I don't really understand the whole 'wow stop being mean to Joe' take as if they readily do not wish harm on people who hold different political views as them and/or readily watch content creators who do. Also reminds me

adoreroda

I have an issue with things like this:

&gt; you wouldn’t wish cancer on Adolf Hitler?

I saw a post on Bluesky which said something like “if your first response to Biden’s cancer is sadness, check yourself”.

I have never had an issue with empathy for “bad” people or people who have done bad things. Even really evil things. It’s the primary reason why I’m against the death penalty and retributive punishment. To me, “you should never have empathy for the people we deem unworthy of empathy” runs contrary to the moral beliefs I have which are the reason I’m a progressive. So I really don’t get things like this. Not that they don’t have empathy, but that empathy for them is morally wrong and shocking.

oklutz

They have a worse take than the conservatives. I feel like I’m living in Bizarro World.

cruisin_urchin87

Maybe this sub will stop praising Hasan just to be contrarian

Amicuses_Husband

it always comes back to Palestine, even though both sides have been killing each other for decades, and America did not start supplying weapons to Israel under Joe Biden, but he gets all the blame under the "Genocide Joe" meme - meanwhile Trump literally wants to move Palestinians to fucking Libya or some shit and these people say nothing?

William_T_Wanker

Just to be clear, as bad as Denims is - she didn't put a bounty on assmongold, she upped an existing meme bounty on Mark Kerns. Zach was just watching that clip when it got posted to LSF and people kept repeating the misunderstanding.

But if you watch any of those clips from her or asmongold, it's obvious she's talking about Mark Kern and his crusade about Stellar Blade.

Smartest_Termite

WitELeoparD

The left isn’t allowed to say bad things. The right however…

Halcyon_Paints

People like Hasan, Denims, Asmongold, etc are all just edgelords who say things to get people talking about them. They know if you’re offended, you’re watching them. 

It’s just the worst type of online engagement you could possibly imagine.

Responsible-Wash1394

Denim is a pretty detestable person all around who happens to have 'correct' socialist stances on many issues. 

That said, I agree completely that cancer changes nothing about Biden's legacy. Let's not even discuss the elephant in the room yet, and we can still point to so many things Biden supported or passed that did literally nothing but hurt people. He is the reason millions of Americans will struggle to pay off student debt until they die because they can't discharge it through bankruptcy. His crime bill makes a strong case for Biden being the single most prominent figure in the current mass incarceration crisis. He famously fought against integration in the 70's. There are some who believe he mistreated Anita Hill and as a result didn't do enough to prevent the confirmation of Clarence Thomas. That's just off the top of my head. The CHIPS act, the inflation reduction act, the student debt he was able to cancel, these were good things. But they don't even come close to outweighing the tremendous harm he's done, especially considering that he let basically every good thing about his COVID relief bill expire. He was clearly in poor health in by the end of his first year in office, and yet he decided to run again and unfortunately the media was complicit in a truly brazen cover up of his decline. His decision to run again might be the single worst decision by a democrat in modern electoral history, given what the result was. 

And now Gaza. I truly do not think there is any number of innocent people Israel could butcher there Biden would not have been ok with. Israel could have publicly declared from the start that the goal was explicitly to eradicate the Palestinian people from the planet and Biden would have done not a thing different. We're talking about genocide. Biden aided a genocide. I can be sad on a human level that someone has cancer. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend Biden isn't what he is.

beargrimzly

Last week I saw a video of a 6 year old girl who was split completely in half by rubble from an airstrike. Her 8 year old brother was sobbing hysterically while holding her legs and running towards her other half. Their parents were dead and completely buried. 

8 months ago I learned that one of my online friends, a real living, breathing human being who I talked to and laughed with and gave advise to and received some in turn, was killed in an Israeli airstrike along with his brother and mother. 

Anyways, I hear the man who sent some of those bombs overseas just got cancer? That’s horrible, why would anyone celebrate that? :(

CarlOfOtters

This is the third or fourth Biden cancer drama I've seen posted today. If this isn't surplus drama or at the very least worthy of a megathread dedicated to containing flooding, then the mods sure aren't handling these waves properly.

RosePhox

Topics like this are why the left in America are on a massive backslide right now. Absolutely insane people allowed in the ranks.

Lumpy_Review5279

Everyone else, shut up. What the fuck is happening with that first link? It takes me to a 16 YEAR old comment sarcastically mentioning global warming, but somehow is still part of the Andor thread?

jotofirend

Oh boy, we get Andor drama **and** I/P drama combined now. Yay.

needastory

palestine “drama” isn’t dramatic or fun. it’s just the same thing over and over, and will soon be in the comments here too. could do without these posts tbh

womensrites

ToaArcan

On a side note, Andor  was one of the best shows that I had seen in years. Much less being the best Star Wars thing I have ever seen. So the question is: Do I subscribe to Disney Plus for just a month to watch season two?

Not_A_Doctor__

Okay...real talk. Posts like this are exactly why SRD used to have a rule against "surplus drama". But I guess they got rid of that rule a year ago because...reasons. And now we have seemingly daily struggle sessions about I/P here.

To be clear, OP is clearly putting in the effort in terms the formatting. But otherwise it's largely indistinguishable from a karma farming operation at this point. An SRD post about this topic is virtually guaranteed to get 500 upvotes and 800 comments. The fruit is hanging so low it's become a root vegetable.

Regardless of the subreddit the OP is pulled from, 80%+ of content is nearly identical every time--both in the linked comments and in the SRD comments. Obviously people want to talk about it because it's related to real and ongoing human suffering, that's totally valid. But it doesn't feel suited for SRD, which is supposed to be entertaining, to have basically interchangeable comment threads posted here daily.

Artistic_Dish_3782

It's one thing to rightly argue that Israel's abhorrent actions (apartheid, war crimes, genocide etc.) are wholly unacceptable, and another thing entirely to lionise and applaud Hamas, or identify their cause with that of Palestinians as a whole.


Anyone claiming that Hamas's beliefs have been misrepresented, and that it isn't genocidal and antisemitic, is simply sticking their heads in the sand. In its founding Charter Hamas made plain its commitment to exterminating all Jews, and cited a wide range of antisemitic conspiracy theories (including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and lots of literal Nazi propaganda) as evidence for why it was necessary. Hamas did, as part of a PR effort, publish an updated manifesto in 2017. This tried to sweep over historical antisemitism by replacing references to "Jews" with "Zionists". However, it still advocated conspiracy theories about "Zionists" controlling Western governments, which is [obviously antisemitic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government_conspiracy_theory).


Antisemitism aside, their vision for an independent Palestinian state is one where it is a kind of Islamic "emirate", drawing from the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood. Whilst this kind features a kind of "Islamic Democracy", this is essentially alien to any sort of liberal democracy you would find advocated in the West. Fundamentally, they do not believe that any law or regulation can contradict Sharia and the broader teachings of the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the example of early Muslims. Additionally, non-Muslims and women are restricted from holding office. Attempting to challenge any of this would naturally be illegal, and regarded as apostasy.


Hamas has, so far, proven very reluctant to forcibly impose the Hudud punishments (e.g. stoning for adultery). However, it regards such a step as necessary and inevitable, and it seeks to encourage Islamic fervour amongst Palestinians to gradually build long-term support for the revival of Sharia and the creation of a truly Islamic state. In this regard it employs both a top-down and bottom-up approach (there are some [interesting differences](https://sciencespo.hal.science/hal-04567250v1/document) compared with PIJ for those curious). It has, since coming to power, steadily worked to undermine official secular courts and other institutions, slowly replacing them with Islamic equivalents that it controls at a grassroots level. Hamas has also used its control over media and education in Gaza to inculcate its children (almost half are under 18) with propaganda (with plenty of assistance from Israeli bombs, it must be said).


Hamas's belief in a Palestinian state is also not simply based on the principle of national self-determination as most would understand it. Instead, Hamas fundamentally believes that the territory of historic Palestine, as land previously ruled by Muslims, is inalienable Islamic territory, guaranteed by divine law. This same logic has been used by Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other groups to argue that Spain, India, and many other territories formerly ruled by Muslims must have Islamic governance restored.

Hamas is also deeply ideologically opposed to any sort of two-state solution, believing that Israel must be destroyed on principle. It is at most willing to accept a short truce in exchange for a Palestinian state established on pre-1967 borders, with its ultimate goal remaining the destruction of Israel and the unification of historic Palestine as an Islamic state. Accordingly, even if Israel had a moral government that disavowed apartheid, recognised an independent Palestine, and genuinely wanted a two-state solution (hopefully as the foundation for a secular, binational single state after sufficient reconciliation) conflict would still be inevitable. 


They are certainly less dogmatic than Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and Salafi-Jihadist groups as a whole. However, that is still an exceptionally low bar, and it doesn't mean that they are in any way noble-minded or benevolent. They may have participated in elections once before (something Al-Qaeda would refuse to do, considering democracy a form of idolatry that elevates mankind to usurp God's sovereignty), but that was purely so they could seize power in Gaza - there have been no more elections since they came to power nearly 20 years ago.


All that aside, they have been repeatedly criticised by international human rights groups, like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, for their grotesque violations of human rights. They have detained and tortured political opponents, with [Amnesty International](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/) claiming they have even using hospital wards for this purpose. Similar condemnation has been leveled at its past use of human shields, as well as the way it has stored munitions in and launched attacks from residential areas. Hamas has also been repeatedly accused of committing war crimes by purposefully targeting civilians areas devoid of legitimate military targets, including by [Human Rights Watch](https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/01/28/gaza-hamas-report-whitewashes-war-crimes). One tragic casualty of the 7th October attack was [Vivian Silver](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Silver), a lifelong peace activist and former board member of B'Tselem, an [anti-apartheid](https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid) Israeli-Palestinian charity that has heavily criticised Israeli warcrimes and human rights abuses.

Amidst all that, there is simply no comparison between Hamas and the Rebellion. Even someone like Saw Gerrera, regarded as a dangerous extremist by others in the Rebellion, doesn't wantonly slaughter civilians or harbour dreams of genocide. Where there is collateral damage, it's where it's unavoidable. And the ultimate goal of the Rebellion is the restoration of democracy, human rights, civil liberties, and justice, not the establishment of totalitarian theocracy and the oppression of all minority groups. 

Edit: Making a false report to get me spammed by "RedditCaresResources" asking if I'm suicidal is absolutely pathetic and just shows you have nothing worth saying in response.

Edit 2-3: Corrected a few typos, split a long paragraph

long-lankin

I’m waiting for Reddit to realize that both people are going nowhere, it doesn’t matter who started what, and that everyone deserves to live in peace. Probably gonna die waiting though.

Jokesmedoff

Always funny when redditors think they're actually doing something 

The_Duke_of_Nebraska

I just earned my media literacy award and I can tell you for a fact that Luke Skywalker and Baby Yoda would both join my favorite Islamist militant group and would curse the yahood (Sith lords).

RedAndBlackVelvet

Come a long way from "Oh my god everyone condemns Hamas, stop asking".

Now people are just openly glorifying them.

semiomni

People in that thread literally simping for an Islamic extremist terrorist organization, somehow comparing a group who says their civilians are a 'material cost' and keeps hostages with their civil populace are the same as the rebellion.

Firecracker048

Ŕedditors taking themselves way too serious again.

Eggxcalibur

The only problem with Andor is that it was seen by the Star Wars fandom

CranberryPotential35

These people will treat the most morally grey conflict in the world like it's black and white, meanwhile they'll take an actual black and white conflict, like Russia and Ukraine, and screech about "nuance".

Windybreeze78

The entire point of Gerrera is that he fails. He achieved nothing.

Acceptable-Dentist22

WarStrifePanicRout

I hate andor not because it’s a bad show but because it made Glup Shitto type Star Wars fans think they’re intelectuals. At the end of the day it’s still a space show set in a world with futuristic wizard knights and watching it doesn’t mean you’re enlightened. It’s like watching house of cards or west wing and thinking you’re a political analyst now.

Andor’s probably one of my favourite products to come out of Disney Star Wars, but jesus fuck that subreddit went downhill the *instant* the show ended

Komrade-Seals

Never underestimate pro-pals to make ANYTHING about themselves while shouting at everyone else. Their brains are Q-Anon mush at this point.

LowRevolution6175

Oh hey, I got to read through this one right after it got locked! 

Really is crazy how many people just straight up aren't even pretending to not support Hamas anymore. At least they're open about it these days. 

Sigh. I wonder which Republican will be president after Trump.

AdagioOfLiving

Darth Vader would never condone terror bombings...

lefeuet_UA

Real life thing like fictional show/movie/game shit is peak American redditism

penis-muncher785

I think the events of yesterday show antisemetism has been completely normalized in America. A crazy guy firebombs a bunch of old people bringing awareness to the hostages, and even fucking CNN finds slimy ways to imply they deserve it. Hamas is a cartoonishly evil terrorist group almost as bad as fucking ISIS, and yet it’s now completely normalized to support them and a genocide of Jews that would be worse than the Holocaust. Saying that the Jews did 9/11 or that examples of antisemetism were false flags by the Jews to get sympathy and form Israel is normalized and accepted. Even TYT, the most centrist of centrists, came out saying the Jews did 9/11. The right claims to care but it’s really just an excuse to persecute protesters. While they have it coming, I’m scared of what’ll happen once they start applying it to anyone who criticizes republicans.

that sub is definition of a dumpster fire

thatpj

What’s funny is the guy who talks about “having been bombed every day” and coming from Gaza is from Jordan. Here is an old comment of his:

I don't know where you grew up, or where you lived and whatnot, I've lived in Jordan most of my life, but 90% of the people I've met and known don't have a large issue against the west. Sure, we disagreed on a lot of things, but we tolerated it and we're fine with it. And no, the younger generation of Arabs don't have an issue with Jews, the parents, and grandparents do, but young adults and teens that I've met, we just dislike the Israeli government, i genuinely think the new generation of Muslims are doing fine. He also posted multiple videos of him playing video games with friends, and has no accent that I can detect.

josh145b

The same redditors who think they are actually doing something when the entire thread is basically nobody knowing any of the actual facts and gettin buthurt when they are corrected or disproved.

Id be great if people in the comments knew a single factual thing about the conflict but they don't.

DDAY007

Im tired boss, its all the same shit different day. Justifications for suffering, for death, disease, fanaticism, all of it. People are dying from terrible fates while the powerful use conflict for scoring political points and clinging to power.

Its a fight between people who would probably do the same shit to each other if given the chance, Isreal just has political backing and power at this time. Doesn't matter though, apparently genocide is justified if the country(city?rubble?) has awful people in it.

SonichuPrime

Wtf happened to this sub, holy shit. Really became  r/wordnews overnight.

Commercial_Floor_578

This is why most subbreddits about tv shows should have a no politics rule

carterthe555thfuller

Too many people accusing the guy of glorifying Hamas and not enough pointing out how that happened, through quoting or some other way

I find that almost everyone has an opinion on the Israel-Palestine war and almost no-one has opened a history book on the subject. 


The reality is that, shockingly, *it's complicated.* 

BastardofMelbourne

The fact that no one in here even try to condemn extremist groups like the ghorman front or terrorist like saw gerrera show you how much the rebel media are brainwashing people into normalize anti-coruscantism

WhiteBeardEdward

TheThinker12

SS: The US government designated The Resistance Front, considered an offshoot of the Pakistani extremist group Lashkar-e-Taiba, as a "foreign terrorist organisation" over the Apr 22 militant attack in India-administered Kashmir that killed 26 people, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Thursday.

Rubio has also called TRF an offshoot to Lashkar e Taiba, which is a first by the USA after India stated the same on January 2023.

Citing the Pahalgam terrorist attack as the reason behind the designation and stating that TRF is a Pakistan based terrorist group, Rubio and USA seems to have sided with India in claiming this to be a terrorist attack by Pakistan based group, and completely rejected Asim Munir's statement that the attack was a resistance against the so called Indian occupation.

Lone-T

[Official Statement](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/07/18/2025-13562/amendment-of-the-specially-designated-global-terrorist-designation-of-lashkar-e-tayyiba):

&gt; A Notice by the State Department on 07/18/2025
&gt;
&gt; Based upon a review of the administrative record assembled in this matter, and in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury, I have concluded that there is a sufficient factual basis to find that Lashkar-e-Tayyiba uses the additional aliases The Resistance Front; TRF; Kashmir Resistance Front; and Kashmir Resistance. Therefore, pursuant to Section 1 of E.O. 13224, I hereby amend the designation of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist to include the following new aliases: The Resistance Front; TRF; Kashmir Resistance Front; and Kashmir Resistance.
&gt; 
&gt; This determination shall be published in the Federal Register .
&gt; 
&gt; Dated: 07/02/2025.
&gt; 
&gt; Marco Rubio,
&gt;
&gt; Secretary of State.

StarsInTears

&gt; 1: What the fuck does this gave to do with socalism

lol, lmao even. Opposition to Zionism and solidarity with oppressed peoples across the world is fundamental to any real socialist movement or action. 

From the river to the sea.

thatcommiegamer

Note: i was limited by the note app words limit, if not i would have tried an even bigger one, also this is free to copy and use if you want to.

Now while we are at it, Unironic zionist talking points as an argument to these:

&gt;Colonization was seen as a movement not like europeans but to simply make jewish settlements in Palestine 

That's exactly what it was to europeans, so i am not sure how can that even be a reply, as the europeans also thought of it as a way to replace or build settlements in place of a specific populace or in peace with them. 

&gt;There was no Palestine(country)

there was no country in either south or north america,australia and etc.

&gt;Colonisation requires to be made through the people of an empire

Which is false, as there is no "rule" for it, colonialism can occur independently of being from the empire, as settler colonialism is driven by the intent to establish a new society in place of the indigenous population, regardless of the relation to the formal imperial authority.

Russian settlers in siberia during the 16th to 19th centuries, for example, much of the settlement was driven by individual fur traders, Cossacks, and peasants who acted outside direct imperial direction.

Many afrikaners were originally of Dutch descent but eventually saw themselves as distinct from the Netherlands and the British Empire that later controlled the Cape Colony. They even rebelled against the British, proving that they were not merely representatives of imperial control but settlers with their own colonial aims, same case happened in the americas, as it has people of many ethnicities who engaged in settler colonialism and then grew independently of imperial rule.

&gt;Settler colonialism occurs when colonizers and settlers invade and occupy territory to permanently replace the existing society with the society of the colonizers.[1][2][3][4]

&gt;Settler colonialism is a distinct type of colonialism that functions through the replacement of indigenous populations with an invasive settler society that

Frostydeppressionarc

This is a great post.
Saving this to give it an absolute read.
Please don't delete, mate. Ever.

[deleted]

Unfortunately this post is not very readable on mobile, at least on my end. Could you replace the &gt; with sth else? Reddit tries to format them as Quotes and pushes the text out of view

Halftimehero05

Yupp , I would recommend you to search about Zionism on r/askhistorians , really great answers there which often opens up  your eyes on how this conflict is a 'class war' disguised as a 'culture war'.

diikxnt

Thank you for your hard work doing and posting this critical research. Insane world we live in where ethnonationalist supremacist ideologies receive the same protections as human rights for disenfranchised minorities.

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It's useless to feed echochambers, we need more threads like this on r/israelpalestine

Particular-Crow-1799

At the end of the day “settler” and “native/indigenous” are relationships formed through colonization. It’s why we don’t call the people of random European countries indigenous, because there is no colonizing force making that a political reality. And why if the people of turkey returned to Central Asia and settled it like Israel did, expelling the people there, it would be rightly be called colonization. It has nothing to do with “who was there first” in the abstract sense or if you can dig up pottery.

OXIOXIRedIvy

Identifying Zionism as a "belief" rather than as a heterogenous political movement that existed in context and changed over time, and dealing with it as an "argument" and pointing out its inconsistencies on those terms, when any heterogenous political movement - where different members of it, individually or in groups, want different things - is going to be similarly inconsistent - undermines this style of arguing in general. The *beliefs* of some of the people who participated in the Zionist movement are not the sufficient reason for Israel to exist, and are arguably not even a *necessary* reason, and so framing this discussion of the merits of their thought as relevant to the question of whether Israel should exist or not *now* is a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument. Various groups that did emigrate to Palestine would have do so-- of their own accord-- and not necessarily motivated by the writings of a Herzl or any one philosopher, e.g. Jews fleeing persecution in Tsarist Russia

As a nation with people who live there the stakes and relations people have with it change - and there is not in actuality this essential, sustaining, singular causal link between Zionist ideology and the day-to-day existence of Israel.

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TheAeronauticalchnl1

Legal-Imagination-27

Uh oh, looks like Munir will need to funnel a few $100 mil more into Trump's crypto. No food for you tonight, Abdool!

ididacannonball

Aap chronology samaziye .... Back to back missile test and fir ye .... Lambi wali fielding set ki jaa rhi hain 

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Imaginary-Zombie3554

Wow US playing for both team? Like joker from gully cricket

ArmyEuphoric2909

And US media will still call it a militant attack instead of a terrorist attack. Whitewashing won't stop at the lower levels.

plushy_neko

The United States has designated The Resistance Front (TRF) as a Foreign Terrorist Organization following its involvement in a deadly attack. This highlights concerns about terrorism and the regional relationship between India and Pakistan.

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